Hardin > Abel?

[15:25] <IOS> chainey, idk about hardin>abel
[15:25] <IOS> they're pretty much the same character
[15:25] <IOS> except that Abel will always have about +1 as
[15:25] <IOS> and hardin comes with b lances already
[15:25] <FE3_Player> Hardin is the same character without as much of an EXP cost.
[15:25] <IOS> true
[15:25] <IOS> i guess abel's not doing too hot in the first few chapters
[15:25] <FE3_Player> I don't know why people think that Abel's availability lead is an instant win. I know you people used him.
[15:26] <IOS> i used him
[15:26] <IOS> but to be fair, i favoured him
[15:26] <FE3_Player> Exactly.
[15:26] <FE3_Player> I did too.
[15:26] <FE3_Player> Well, I used Kain, but still.
[15:26] <Colonel_M> Yeah... I remember using Abel and thought to myself "why am I not using Hardin" one playthrough.
[15:27] <FE3_Player> Let me break it down. Chapter 1, he's useful because everyone has to work together, but so is Jeigan and Draug, and on top of that we've now realized that Sheeda is worth leveling too.
[15:27] =-= Mode #feto +o IOS by Colonel_M
[15:27] <FE3_Player> Chapter 2, we get a bunch of all star champions like OGUMA and BARTS. Jeigan is still great.
[15:27] <FE3_Player> And Cord is worth leveling.
[15:28] <FE3_Player> Chapter 3, you have this gigantic army, and you get yet another sword user fighting axes.
[15:28] <IOS> i wonder how they actually do in chapters 2/3
[15:28] <IOS> taking abel at 2/0 in Chapter 2
[15:29] <Colonel_M> Lemme sum it up
[15:29] <Colonel_M> 2RKO
[15:29] <IOS> lol
[15:29] <FE3_Player> So in Chapter 5, while you've been training dudes like BARTS and CORD and SHEEDA, you now get this one unit that's basically Abel, but grants EXP to units better than Abel.
[15:29] <IOS> k, against pirates he has 12 atk with iron
[15:30] <IOS> so thats a 4RKO
[15:30] <IOS> javelin is still a 4RKO
[15:31] <IOS> he can 3RKO hunters though
[15:31] <FE3_Player> Which is still pretty terrible.
[15:31] <IOS> well, yeah
[15:36] <IOS> whoops, i was looking at cain when i was doing those numbers
[15:36] <IOS> abel 5RKOs fighters with iron sword
[15:36] <Colonel_M> Ouch
[15:37] <IOS> although its a 4RKO with javelin
[15:37] <Colonel_M> With major Accuracy loss
[15:37] <IOS> and he may 6RKO cavs with javelin
[15:37] <IOS> depending if they have 31 HP or not
[15:39] <IOS> holy fuck, those chapter 3 fighters have a lot of HP
[15:40] <Colonel_M> lolyoujustnoticed?
[15:40] <IOS> i forgot
[15:41] <IOS> so abel 5RKOs them
[15:50] <IOS> i definitely see hardin>cavs now though
[15:50] <IOS> after seeing how crappy they are in the first few chapters
[15:50] <IOS> and how hardin pretty much avoids this

Armor 3 (Steel Lance): 33 (34) HP, 22 (23) atk, 92 (93) hit, 3 (4) AS, 11 (12) def, 0 (1) res, 3 crit Abel 3RKOs low end ones while Hardon 3HKOs low end ones, a 4RKO on high end ones. This is a better performance, it's not so much to the level where we can go "SHIT GUYS WHY 'BABY' ABEL WHEN YOU CAN JUST USE HARDOOOOOOOON OUT OF THE GATE"

Thief 3(Steel Sword): 27 HP, 16 atk, 98 hit, 13 AS, 1 (2) def, 4 crit

2RKOing vs 2RKOing. Next.

Cav 3(Steel Lance): 31(32) HP, 22 atk, 92 (93) hit, 9 AS, 8 def, 3(4) crit
Silver Lance: 31(32) HP, 22 atk, 101 (102) hit, 9 AS, 8 def, 3(4) crit

Any leads Hardon has are made minimal due to Ridersbane.

Archer 1 (Steel Bow): 28 HP, 18 (19) atk, 92 (93) hit, 8 (9) AS, 6 def, 3 (4) crit
Archer 3 (Steel Bow): 29 (30) HP, 19 (20) atk, 94 hit, 9 AS, 6 (7) def, 0 (1) res, 4 crit

liek wow. He can kill Archers in one less hit, when Archers are fucked if you 1 range them anyway. This is nearly as bad as Grandjackal hype.

Mage 1 (Elfire): 22 HP, 20 atk, 90 (91) hit, 4 (5) AS, 2 def, 3 res, 2 (3) crit

Mage 3 (Elfire): 22 (23) HP, 21 atk, 91 (92) hit, 5 AS, 2 (4) def, 3 res, 3 crit

Hardon can't OHKO either, so Silver Lance does him no good here.

6x

Archer 1 (Iron Bow): 25 HP, 16 atk, 104 hit, 8 AS, 3 lck, 6 def, 4 crit
Steel Bow: 25 HP, 19 atk, 94 hit, 8 AS, 3 lck, 6 def, 4 crit

They're helpless once 1 ranged, and Abel just misses a 2RKO, so archer dies from getting breathed on after anyway. Are we really going to waste Silver Lance uses on Archers of all things, anyway?

Archer 3 (Iron Bow): 26 (27) HP, 16 atk, 104 hit, 9 AS, 3 (4) lck, 6 (7) def, 0 (1) res, 4 crit
Steel Bow: 26 (27) HP, 19 atk, 94 hit, 9 AS, 3 (4) lck, 6 (7) def, 0 (1) res, 4 crit

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Pirate 3 (Iron Axe): 33 (34) HP, 20 (22) atk, 100 (101) hit, 8(9) AS, 5 def, 0 (1) res, 2 (3) crit
Steel Axe: 33 (34) HP, 23 (25) atk, 90 (91) hit, 8(9) AS, 5 def, 0 (1) res, 2 (3) crit
Hand Axe: 33 (34) HP, 21 (23) atk, 80 (81) hit, 8(9) AS, 5 def, 0 (1) res, 2 (3) crit

Get this, Hardon's ATK gets cut down by two points [1 from Rank being cancelled, 1 from WTA] so it's possible he'll be missing 2RKOs and thus not be doing any better than Abel against these guys.

Merc lvl 1 (Armorslayer): 28 HP, 18 (19) atk, 91 hit, 12 AS, 5 def, 5 crit

Merc lvl 5: (Iron Sword): 31 HP, 17 atk, (112), 13 (14) AS, 6 def, 0 (1) res, 6 crit

I admit to a win here, but come on, there's four of them on the map.

Mage lvl 1 (Thunder): 22 HP, 17 atk, 100 hit, 5 AS, 2 def, 3 res, 2 crit

Mage lvl 3 (Fire): 22 HP, 17 atk, 111 hit, 7 AS, 2 def, 3 res, 3 crit

He can OHKO mages. I guess it's notable, but when there's only a small handful on the map?