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1 Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:11 pm

Initially suggested in this post and discussed a bit further. The basic idea is that 2 maps of being ~tied for best (with Kieran) and not even that much better than the rest of the team shouldn't be worth Mid tier. Kieran possibly as well, but he sticks around and is still okay, so Geoffrey first.

Discuss.

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2 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:31 pm

Agreed, being tied with Keiran, losing availability, and generally being close to the team should not warrent mid.

I mean, Eddie has availability, and at a time can actually claim he's the best of the team, while still being useful for a few more chapters. I mean, that sounds about right, doesn't it, about equal?

Wait, no it doesn't. Eddie's got availability, and actual utility on Geoffery, while Geoff is just Keiran without the availability. These guys have 2 chapters of good (like Eddie), 1 chapter of meh (like Eddie, in the form of 1-5 of which you don't have to field him, unlike the CRK). However, Eddie's still got 1-4 and is still ok for 1-2 and 3. Keiran after his good time comes to the merc, where he shows that he's hot garbage, something Geoffery deals with far later in the game.

Geoff can fall to lower mid, but Eddie does not deserve to be there with him. Raise him to the bottom of mid, and I'll be fine with it.

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3 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:42 pm

Hey, I forgot about this. I'll be making the move unless someone speaks up fast.

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4 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:25 pm

I'm fine with Geoffrey to Lower Mid and below Eddie, but I'm against Grandjackal's idea of moving Eddie to Mid.


Geoffrey could stand to fall further for that matter, but I'll leave it there for now.

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5 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:38 pm

Also, since it's a closely related topic, what do people think should happen to Geoffrey (T)? The +2 Spd doesn't do much on its own, but with the 3-9 Crown it allows him to double all the 20 AS enemies which make up a good portion of the map. All that matters is the viability of him getting that Crown. I'm willing to see him stay where he is or drop with Geoffrey (N) based on what everyone thinks of this.

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6 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:41 pm

I mean, Eddie has availability, and at a time can actually claim he's the best of the team

Let's not go overboard on 1-P hyping, now. Because Geoffrey is the best unit on the team for an equal amount of time [2-3 and I'd consider that a bigger deal than 1-P, hell probably 3-9 too] And likely sucks less than Edward Cullen does overall, due to the fact that, you know, he has these things called "base stats".

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7 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:45 pm

sPortsman wrote:
I mean, Eddie has availability, and at a time can actually claim he's the best of the team

Let's not go overboard on 1-P hyping, now. Because Geoffrey is the best unit on the team for an equal amount of time [2-3 and I'd consider that a bigger deal than 1-P, hell probably 3-9 too] And likely sucks less than Edward Cullen does overall, due to the fact that, you know, he has these things called "base stats".
Actually, Kieran is very comparable to Geoffrey in 2-3 and 3-9. They have the same AS, similar atk (Geoffrey has more Str but Kieran has stronger weapons and a monopoly on them), and Kieran has +4 HP to Geoffrey's +4 Res. I'm not sure about 2-3, but I know Kieran will also have higher experience gain in 3-9 due to lower level and a high chance at Paragon.

Just saying I wouldn't be so fast to call Geoffrey the best character in his maps.

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8 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:02 pm

They have the same AS, similar atk (Geoffrey has more Str but Kieran has stronger weapons and a monopoly on them), and Kieran has +4 HP to Geoffrey's +4 Res.

Steel Poleax only has 1 more mt than Steel Greatlance (And Marcia gets weighed down by that shit so she doesn't want it, and Devdan sucks] so Geoffrey does do +4 damage a round on things they double. I also think Steel Poleax's 60 hit is kinda meh. Yes he can go Silver Axe, but then he loses damage by even more and Geoffrey still wins hit. In addition, he has access to the Brave Lance, Kieran doesn't.

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9 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:57 pm

Before I say anything else, Bblade, do you agree with Geoffrey moving to Lower Mid if it's above Edward?

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10 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:11 pm

Red Fox of Fire wrote:Also, since it's a closely related topic, what do people think should happen to Geoffrey (T)? The +2 Spd doesn't do much on its own, but with the 3-9 Crown it allows him to double all the 20 AS enemies which make up a good portion of the map. All that matters is the viability of him getting that Crown. I'm willing to see him stay where he is or drop with Geoffrey (N) based on what everyone thinks of this.


I see Geoffrey(T) taking the 3-9 crown as hurting him more than helping him, at least from a tiering perspective. I mean, the GM could get it at 3-11, which is right around the time they are promoting. I'm sure there are at least a couple there that would want it right away. Geoffrey disappearing for 3 maps is the biggest problem really, since I doubt he really is doing all that well when he pops back in at 4-5. I haven't looked at it, but I doubt the +2 SPD is helping.

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11 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:52 pm

Red Fox of Fire wrote:Before I say anything else, Bblade, do you agree with Geoffrey moving to Lower Mid if it's above Edward?

I dunno what to think about the situation, really, I'm just saying Jackal is overdoing hype mode [again] on Edward's 1-P.

He's the best unit on the team? Yeah, for like, five seconds. We're not seriously going to start making tier gaps over this, are we?

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12 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:58 pm

sPortsman wrote:
Red Fox of Fire wrote:Before I say anything else, Bblade, do you agree with Geoffrey moving to Lower Mid if it's above Edward?

I dunno what to think about the situation, really, I'm just saying Jackal is overdoing hype mode [again] on Edward's 1-P.

He's the best unit on the team? Yeah, for like, five seconds. We're not seriously going to start making tier gaps over this, are we?
I don't agree with Edward in Mid myself, I was only talking about him possibly > Geoffrey.

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13 Re: Geoffrey to Lower Mid on Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:05 pm

I still think Eddie should be mid, but I guess for now I'll just have to be stubborn somewhere else about it. Either way, as long as Eddie's above him...

I can't get no satisfaction.

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