Expected Levels

So what I'd like to know is what are the expected levels for the DB by 1-E, the GMs by 3-E, and the DB by 3-13?

1-E, DB tier 1s are expected to be level 17 or so, Zihark would be around level 5, Volug wouldn't gain a level.

3-E for the GMs, I'm not sure, actually. All I know is that apparently, those that crowned don't need to give a shit what level they are generally, and just need to be given a single stat booster otherwise to retain their god hood.

3-13, I have no clue, but apparently guestimates are 20/10 for tier 1 DBs, Zihark I guess would be about level 12.

I've always gotten DB to around 17-18/1 (promo gains and able to use skills in 1-E >>> 2-3 extra levels) and GMs to about 20/20/1 by the end of 3-E (early promo, Haar, and Titania are usually a bit higher, as are whoever has Paragon. Anyone lower leveled than Mia usually isn't third tier).

Speaking of promo, it makes me wonder if any tier 1 DB would prefer to be sealed for the sake of Paragon...Sealing is basically an extra level, most DB units tend to utterly cap ram in tier 2, so with Paragon it's not like anything really changed, except they can fit paragon in with another skill (Eddie, Aran and Leo get moar crit, I'm positive Meg would love a better weapon type and more move, etc etc)

Then again, that would involve the mercs not getting paragon, so I guess I should fuck off with that idea...This game makes my butt sore.

I mean, might as well check.

10/1 Meg
27 HP, 14 Str, 10-11 Skill, 13-14 Speed, 13 Luck, 14 Def, 11 Res. 33-35 Hit, 39-41 avoid, 5 crit. S Swords, A Lances. Holy affinity.

12/1 Aran
28 HP, 14-15 Str, 16-17 Skill, 12-13 Speed, 7-8 Luck, 15 Def, 5 Res. 39-42 hit, 31-34 avoid, 13 crit. S Lances, Thunder affinity.

Not saying she's as good, but that's pretty comparable.

What Paperblade said, maybe a little higher for characters like Nolan or Jill that have high base levels, Zihark around 5 and Sothe around 6.

As for 3-13, promoted level 8-10 is a good ballpark for most characters, 20-22 for Volug.

Grandjackal wrote:
10/1 Meg
27 HP, 14 Str, 10-11 Skill, 13-14 Speed, 13 Luck, 14 Def, 11 Res. 33-35 Hit, 39-41 avoid, 5 crit. S Swords, A Lances. Holy affinity.

12/1 Aran
28 HP, 14-15 Str, 16-17 Skill, 12-13 Speed, 7-8 Luck, 15 Def, 5 Res. 39-42 hit, 31-34 avoid, 13 crit. S Lances, Thunder affinity.

Taken from Serenes:

Armor Sword -> Sword General Lance E

Colonel M wrote:

Grandjackal wrote:
10/1 Meg
27 HP, 14 Str, 10-11 Skill, 13-14 Speed, 13 Luck, 14 Def, 11 Res. 33-35 Hit, 39-41 avoid, 5 crit. S Swords, A Lances. Holy affinity.

12/1 Aran
28 HP, 14-15 Str, 16-17 Skill, 12-13 Speed, 7-8 Luck, 15 Def, 5 Res. 39-42 hit, 31-34 avoid, 13 crit. S Lances, Thunder affinity.

Taken from Serenes:

Armor Sword -> Sword General Lance E

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe10/class_weap2.html

You mean D.

So she can't use a silver lance, big deal. You can forge steel (D rank), ge the same deal.

Either way yeah, mistake on my part, was looking at the maximum ranks

Someone might want to test that. In the promotion gains it says she gets E Lances, but Grandjackal's link does say she gets D Lances.

Colonel M wrote:Someone might want to test that. In the promotion gains it says she gets E Lances, but Grandjackal's link does say she gets D Lances.

Even if it is E, it's not like we can't just toss her one of the many arms scrolls we just find lying around as secret treasures. At worst, it takes a forge away from the GM, I don't think they'll be butt hurt over it. Who else do we have to use it on anyways?

Miccy-Why? All she wants is Thany.

Eddie-One weapon type

Leo-One weapon type

Aran-One weapon type

Laura-Lol

Nolan-One Weapon Type

Volug-Don't work

Taur-Why?

Zihark-One Weapon type

Jill-Why use lances when you have axes?

Tormod-Why?

Muarim-Don't work

Vika-Don't Work

Fiona-Fuck Fiona

Gross generalization, but you get the point.

Grandjackal wrote:

Colonel M wrote:

Grandjackal wrote:
10/1 Meg
27 HP, 14 Str, 10-11 Skill, 13-14 Speed, 13 Luck, 14 Def, 11 Res. 33-35 Hit, 39-41 avoid, 5 crit. S Swords, A Lances. Holy affinity.

12/1 Aran
28 HP, 14-15 Str, 16-17 Skill, 12-13 Speed, 7-8 Luck, 15 Def, 5 Res. 39-42 hit, 31-34 avoid, 13 crit. S Lances, Thunder affinity.

Taken from Serenes:

Armor Sword -> Sword General Lance E

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe10/class_weap2.html

You mean D.

So she can't use a silver lance, big deal. You can forge steel (D rank), ge the same deal.

Either way yeah, mistake on my part, was looking at the maximum ranks

Steel is C in this game. Iron is D. Bronze and Slim are E. It takes her 20 pokes with Iron Lances (or other 2 wexp lances) to get up to C. There are no 3 wexp lances with E or D rank. And since she's not doubling... But you can't forge them until 1-E anyway so depending on when you seal her you might pull it off.

Also, it is assuming that the site is wrong about Meg's promotion. Brom starts with E Swords but the minumum sword rank for an Axe General is D. It's possible I.S. wanted to screw over Meg in this way. At which point, she's stuck with Bronze.

Either way, those with a secondary weapon benefit form a weapon's scroll. Meg is no exception, and Narga has made it rather clear (since you can't forge anything good till it's too late, which as he said she might pull it off). We find plenty of arms scrolls just lying about, so it's not exactly a big problem.

Still, she has another weapon type to consider, so it's not all bad.

Also, what levels are expected by endgame?

Weapons of Mass Construct wrote:Also, what levels are expected by endgame?

I'd imagine 20/20/10 for GMs, 20/20/1 for just about everyone else.

Yet another reason I hate this game...

spambot imo

My first spambot ban...my forum's growing up so fast. *sniff*

By deleting that post it now looks like Magus is calling Grandjackal a spambot. It's funny.


Also, for 4-E I'd give most DB at least 20/18/5 or something. Probably 20/18/6. It's a bit better than 20/20/1.

Also, I'd say the GMs with good enemy phases can have 20/20/2 by 4-P/1/2. Gats can easily have 20/15/2 and probably 20/15/3. Titania I'm not sure about. 20/20/3 maybe, but possibly just 20/20/2.6 or something.

The rest of the numbers given are mostly okay and I forget any issues I may have had.

Narga_Rocks wrote:By deleting that post it now looks like Magus is calling Grandjackal a spambot. It's funny.


Also, for 4-E I'd give most DB at least 20/18/5 or something. Probably 20/18/6. It's a bit better than 20/20/1.

Also, I'd say the GMs with good enemy phases can have 20/20/2 by 4-P/1/2. Gats can easily have 20/15/2 and probably 20/15/3. Titania I'm not sure about. 20/20/3 maybe, but possibly just 20/20/2.6 or something.

The rest of the numbers given are mostly okay and I forget any issues I may have had.

My 20/20/1 estimate was already assuming no filler units. I don't recall how much BEXP used (it's seriously been about 4 months since I last played RD outside of that draft), but I dunno how much it would help since lolHM.

Using a team of Ike/Haar/Tits/Oscar/Gats/Shinon/Mia/Ulki/Janaff/Reeses, Ike usually hits 20 during 3-E, I give the 3 early Crowns to Haar/Tits/Gats, and then Oscar/Shinon/Mia either promote during 3-11 (Paragon) or 3-E (RNG blessed and thus balling) or I give them liek 1000 BEXP afterwards because they're at like 20.88 or something.

So I guess early crown units are closer to like 20/17/3 or something.

And in reference to the guy saying DB being 20/10-12 in 3-13 and 20/20/1 in 4-E (~9 levels lower than 20/20/1 and 20/20/10 for GMs) and then that gap not closing at all is hilarious. Only liek the Laguz and Trueblades are doubling everything (and then dudes like Ike and Neph are borderline), so the only real advantage the GMs have is mastery, which is cool I guess but DB is still getting like twice as much EXP a kill and we have like 2 Crowns sitting around doing nothing.

Paperblade wrote:

Narga_Rocks wrote:By deleting that post it now looks like Magus is calling Grandjackal a spambot. It's funny.


Also, for 4-E I'd give most DB at least 20/18/5 or something. Probably 20/18/6. It's a bit better than 20/20/1.

Also, I'd say the GMs with good enemy phases can have 20/20/2 by 4-P/1/2. Gats can easily have 20/15/2 and probably 20/15/3. Titania I'm not sure about. 20/20/3 maybe, but possibly just 20/20/2.6 or something.

The rest of the numbers given are mostly okay and I forget any issues I may have had.

My 20/20/1 estimate was already assuming no filler units. I don't recall how much BEXP used (it's seriously been about 4 months since I last played RD outside of that draft), but I dunno how much it would help since lolHM.

Using a team of Ike/Haar/Tits/Oscar/Gats/Shinon/Mia/Ulki/Janaff/Reeses, Ike usually hits 20 during 3-E, I give the 3 early Crowns to Haar/Tits/Gats, and then Oscar/Shinon/Mia either promote during 3-11 (Paragon) or 3-E (RNG blessed and thus balling) or I give them liek 1000 BEXP afterwards because they're at like 20.88 or something.

So I guess early crown units are closer to like 20/17/3 or something.

That's about what I'm saying for early crown. Haar should likely wait for 24 AS before crowning, so around 3-8 or so. I can't imagine 20/??/4 happening.

Mia can promote quick if you go with the "support Ike and stick her in front of stuff" strategy. It's a great strategy for feeding kills to less able units without having to slow down. I held her back a bit in 3-11 (in the hopes of not hitting level 20 since I wanted another bexp level. It didn't work though) so she was only around 20/20/1.5 (no paragon ever) after 3-E. Shinon lacks player phase but is close enough to promotion already. 3-11 is reasonable, though I doubt he needs paragon for it. Oscar is Oscar. I suppose the less good ones won't be 20/20/2 by the end of 3-E, but that's why I already said the ones with good enemy phases. Aside from 20/20/2 instead of 20/20/1, what you said here is basically in line with what I said anyway.

And in reference to the guy saying DB being 20/10-12 in 3-13 and 20/20/1 in 4-E (~9 levels lower than 20/20/1 and 20/20/10 for GMs) and then that gap not closing at all is hilarious. Only liek the Laguz and Trueblades are doubling everything (and then dudes like Ike and Neph are borderline), so the only real advantage the GMs have is mastery, which is cool I guess but DB is still getting like twice as much EXP a kill and we have like 2 Crowns sitting around doing nothing.

I disagreed with him anyway. Actually I'm tempted to change my estimate. 20/17/7. If I go with 20/10 to start, 7 levels in 4-P/1/2 and then a crown and then 6 levels in the next chapter (20/10 compared to enemies is a bigger level difference than 20/--/1 compared to enemies). Any DB that can hit 20/11 or 20/12 after part 3 could get a higher number in place of 17. I think maybe that would take aggressive leveling, though. The only reason I give Ike and Mia as many levels as I do in part 4 comparisons is because of ORKOing and never dying on enemy phase. 4 or 5 levels a chapter is easy in 4-1 and 4-4. But a unit that can't just wade into things and walk out with everything else dead? It's possible I should say 20/17/6 or something for the DB in 4-E. And 20/20/8 or so for some GMs.