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1 mekkah down a tier imo on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:22 pm

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2 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:26 pm

-H4X tier-
OliverXRenning
Generic Dracoknight with 14 AS in C10
Rad

-Shaymin-
Captain Bread
jumpluff
Yoshi Quack

-Top-
Interceptor
Narga
Vykan
Paperblade

-High-
Mekkah
Smash
ThunderMan
IOS
Darth

-Mid-
CATS
Red Fox
BBlade
Ninji

-Low-
Radd
Colonel M
Est

-Bottom-
Grandjackal

-Like Ten Potatoes on the Table-
Ether

-Merlinus-
dondon151

it is done



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3 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:47 pm

Huh. I feel unloved.

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4 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:51 pm

You're not the only one. I'm below smash and his horrible stories? And below people that I don't even know who they are? ;_;

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5 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:01 am

Magus wrote:Huh. I feel unloved.

You don't debate enough for me to gauge your tier position.

You're not the only one. I'm below smash and his horrible stories? And below people that I don't even know who they are? ;_;

I WAS going to jam you in High, but considering the "L'Arachel must be fielded in C14 to recruit Rennac and L'Arachel sucks so that's a problem so Rennac should be bottom tier" thing that occurred during midgame, I felt that was enough of a problem that a tier gap between Darth/FE3P was warranted, simply because his stint of helping Rickard rise to mid made him one of the most useful units in lategame.

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6 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:22 am

I think IOS should go above ThunderMan. While ThunderMan makes good arguments, IOS' are simply superior and often filled with solid proof with numbers.

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7 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:42 am


-Low-
Colonel M
Biggest inconsistency itt.

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8 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:08 am

CAT5 wrote:You're not the only one. I'm below smash and his horrible stories? And below people that I don't even know who they are? ;_;
At least you're on the list!

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9 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:09 am

No, I stand by my assessment availability is the only reason Thunderman's not top. I really needed his ass in C28x: Far From the Forest to blick noobs, it just sucks he wasn't there.

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10 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:08 am

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Why is there a tier gap between Paperblade and smash? They are the same person.

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11 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:23 am

Mekkah wrote:Why is there a tier gap between Paperblade and smash? They are the same person.


I don't think they are. They have strong similarities, and from their posts that reference each other I'd have to assume that they are friends in real life, but Paperblade is simply better at the smokescreens and argument misrepresenting, etc debating than Smash is. In order to be the same person, he'd have to lower his skill level when he posts as Smash compared to when he posts as Paperblade. I don't think that it is possible, and the difference that I (and at least one other person) have claimed to exist in their ability is enough for me to understand the tier gap.

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12 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:29 am

Everytime a list of debaters is created,I'm always forgotten...

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13 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:16 pm

Well, at least I haven't fallen fully into Jackal-territory yet.

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14 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:36 pm

Ether wrote:Everytime a list of debaters is created,I'm always forgotten...

That's actually a good thing, you know.

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15 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:46 pm

ChaosNinji wrote:Well, at least I haven't fallen fully into Jackal-territory yet.
Just be thankful you are a tier above me.

IMO just give me the Speedwing. Who else is going to use it? Rutgarspeed!Jumpluff?

The lack of Ether and Magus, especially mr. Magus, makes my jaw drop.

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16 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:29 pm

sPortsman wrote:-Top-
jumpluff
Interceptor
Narga
Vykan
Paperblade

-High-
Mekkah
Smash
ThunderMan
IOS
Darth

-Mid-
CATS
Red Fox
BBlade
Ninji

-Low-
Colonel M

-Worse than Est-
Grandjackal

it is done

sounds about right

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17 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:32 pm

these are speed tiers right?????????????????????

SHUT THE HELL UP CM I AM CLEARLY DORITOS FOR THE WING DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING JESUS WE GOT OUT OF THE CM!WING MINDSET YEARS AGO ON GAMEFAQS YOU HEAR ME

GAME FUCKIN' FAQS

ANYWAY, YOU ARE CLEARLY SANDBAGGING ME! I MEAN WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE SPEEDWING, DOUBLE NINJI? LOL NINJI IS JUST TINKING YOU, AND HE CAN'T DOUBLE YOU. WITH THE WING I GO RIGHT TO THE TOP OF SKITTLES AND DOUBLE THE ENDBOSS IN CHAPTER 28X. UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO CLAIM WE AREN'T GOING TO 28X BECAUSE WE AREN'T FINISHING THE GAME?? god you people don't know anything i swear. jeeeez it goes like this

cm: hi im doritos 4 speedwingz

ninji: no sthu i am

jackal: but w/ the wings i can double a bishop ;_;

est: well im negative utility either way so..

jumpluff: NANANANANA CAN'T TOUCH THIS

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18 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:37 pm

You're right, I think this warrants Pluff in her own tier.

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19 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:39 pm

man, i'm so glad people finally understand! i mean i was starting to think i'd have to write war and peace over again as a tiering debate just to get it through your skulls !_!

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20 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:52 pm

Can you spot the difference?

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21 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:15 pm

Jumpluff you forgot that there are 2 Speedwings in the game!

DUNDUNDUN!

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22 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:19 pm

so what Colonel

That doesnt even bump you up a tier even if you got both

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23 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:07 am

None of you get the speedwings.

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24 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:16 am

FE3_Player wrote:None of you get the speedwings.

Of course not. The speedwings go to Paperblade and Rad so that they can double more frequently. Just be glad that the rest of us at the top don't need any of the other items.

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25 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:17 am

Rad already doubles C10 enemies at 20/1.

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26 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:29 am

what about the nomad woman who wears invisible clothes

or however that shit went

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27 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:01 am

I don't get why I'm not on the list,is it because of my Eyvel-esque availability?
Am I just hard to tier?
I think being a demi god for the first 15 chapters(they're a bitch and you know it)
And I'm still pretty good when i rejoin in 26 so long as I managed to get to ~ --/8 so I can double the Est Fanboys and the Newfags,since I'm still decently tanky.

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28 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:02 am

Who the heck is this Ether dude?

And what makes him awesome for 15 chapters?

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29 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:22 am

I`m like if Duessel joined in place of Seth,then left when he was supposed to join normally.
Then came back later.

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30 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:26 am

Bottom tier this man.

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31 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:27 am

Crying or Very sad

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32 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:29 am

Yeah, survive without my durability why don't ya? I'm superior to Cleric -> Sniper Ninji.

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33 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:38 am

The only unit in this game with durability issues is Bblade, and he has epic enough offense that nobody cares.

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34 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:44 am

How does Jeigen utility = Low tier,much less below Ninji?

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35 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:50 am

The earlygame chapters in FEG are piss crap easy since nobody knows what the hell they're doing, and any sort of vague, unvalid propositions like Castor>Cord can be proposed easily. It's the lategame where actual logic is required now that everybody knows how to play FE, and you weren't there. At least Thunderman ducked in for a few lategame chapters, some of those being the hardest maps in the game.

Ether's Jeigan ability isn't even that special, he basically wishes so badly that he could be as h4x as Thunderman when both of them exist, but, well, he's not. Thunderman completely blows him out of the water in every possible statistic, including the stupid ones like Skill, Res, Luck, and Con.

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36 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:52 am

I rejoin in chapter 26...

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37 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:58 am

Yeah. By that time, everyone and their mom is better than you.

Look, even Ninji is blowing you out of the water.

20/4 CurSniper Ninji, A Matthis: 40 HP, 16 (+3) str, 21 AS, 11 def
--/2 SM Ether, A Mia: 32 HP, 12 str, 18 AS, 8 def

It's really kind of sad that anybody loses to Ninji here seeing as how 21 AS is not sufficent to double a lot of things, but at least he can x2 the slow armors like Wendy/Bors/Ardan, though he doesn't do much better than scratch him. The main thing that sells Ninji's 2 range over Ether is that he has no concrete durability whatsoever [lol getting 2RKOd by Gordin], and worse, while 21 AS was already shaky but at least usable, 18 AS doubles a grand total of nothing, outside of aforementioned slow armors, which you tink. And there's no armorslayers in this game.

I'm using C26: The march of every single dumbass unit Grandjackal has ever hyped as a cornerstone, btw.

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38 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:16 am

Because,everyone knows that being the best character for 15 chapters only gets you 1 level...
Considering promoted enemies start showing up around chapter 11,I'm closer to level 12.Especially since earlygame enemy density is WTFhigh.

--/12 Ether(A Mia)
40 Hp,18(+3) Str,23 AS,15 Def
(Thank you stupidly high growth rates)
Anyway,23 AS doubles Paladins and Warriors,as well as slower Draco's,and the obvious armors.
On average,I'm 4HKO'd,which isn't terrible considering enemy hit rates hover around 50%.

I'd say i'm atleast useable,and my earlygame has to count for something.

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39 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:22 am

In the strictest sense, Ether contributes more to an efficient run just by being forced in a few early chapters where he can actually do shit without kicking out a better unit. Whereas Radd blows in Ch 5 and should probably just be killed off during that chapter.

I'm not arguing against Radd here; this is simply an attempt to provide a possible justification for Ether > Radd, since it's pretty much the only one I can see.

If you use 'em for the whole game, I agree that Radd's obviously better, and BBlade seems to favor this approach.

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40 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:33 pm

Because,everyone knows that being the best character for 15 chapters only gets you 1 level...

When your EXP gain is balls in all of them since this doesn't use the FEDS formula, yeah, it kind of does.

Best character is also extremely subjective. Even if you aren't rape machines like Thunderman, you don't need to be since enemies like Triangle Attack Hype are about as easy to defeat as schmucks in FEDS Normal Mode. Anybody with a mount>>>>Being a swordmaster with already overkill stats, really. Ether's earlygame would actually mean something if the earlygame wasn't dumbshit easy.

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41 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:59 pm

<@IOS> "I wasn't off much better than you, Ether said and then sat down, after he had set like ten potatoes on the table for them all to peel. Being a skinner takes quite some skill, and I did not like the blood and guts from dead animals."
<@BBLade> i think this qualifies Ether for Grandjackal tier
<@IOS> no objections
<@FE3_Player> Ether doesn't have the guts to skin Grandjackal, confirmed.

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42 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:01 pm

Narga_Rocks wrote:
FE3_Player wrote:None of you get the speedwings.

Of course not. The speedwings go to Paperblade and Rad so that they can double more frequently. Just be glad that the rest of us at the top don't need any of the other items.

Yeah, but I'm also the only guy in top with a Prf weapon.

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43 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:13 pm

Paperblade wrote:
Narga_Rocks wrote:
FE3_Player wrote:None of you get the speedwings.

Of course not. The speedwings go to Paperblade and Rad so that they can double more frequently. Just be glad that the rest of us at the top don't need any of the other items.

Yeah, but I'm also the only guy in top with a Prf weapon.

Hmm, that is a good point. We have to take some things from the team, too.

I'd like to note, though, that I do get a prf. It just doesn't come until everything is almost over.

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44 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:07 am

I just come with Defender. For some reason it doesn't work in this game. *Sigh*, maybe in the sequel...
None of you get the speedwings.
Commie

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45 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:53 am

I think Captain Bread could rise into H4X tier. His leg chins give him godly defense, making him a great tank, and he is also a great source of carbohydrates.

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46 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:03 am

O_O...

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47 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:32 am

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48 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:12 pm

i'm so good i'm not even on this list :ballin:

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49 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:30 pm

I'm a tier above Ether on the basis that Ether couldn't skin me?

...I can dig it.

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50 Re: mekkah down a tier imo on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:34 pm

dondon151 wrote:i'm so good i'm not even on this list :ballin:
We went over this 9001 times: WE'RE NOT TIERING CONVOY DAMMIT!

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