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1 Miredy for Top tier. on Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:44 pm

no, seriously

I'm aware of her availability issues. I don't see it hurting enough because she is easily your best unit for the entire time she exists. From tinking Wyverns in Sacae with Delphi Shield [Don't say the pegs can use it, because if we're using the pegs, we're off to Ilia] to one rounding nearly everything 23 AS doubles to epic 1-2 range, really the only thing she has to look out for is magic which is a problem for anybody who isn't a magic user anyway. I'll admit she's meh in C13, but she's epic in 14 due to being a flier, and by then she's likely gained enough levels to be awesomesauce. Then she promotes, and the easy mode button gets jammed big time.

Spaeking of Sacae. Did you know that the AI isn't smart enough to know their effective bonus is being cancelled? That's right, you can have her tank ballistae or own archers with Javelins if she has the Delphi Shield. But also, she can take advantage of flier utility as a whole, and Dondon is sure to write you a whole essay about that if he thinks Yunno's flight is worth anything at all.

So...I don't see any reason she shouldn't be Top tier, if only at the bottom of it. She exists and pretty much is your best unit from when she promotes, which isn't much less than half of the game.

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2 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:59 pm

Yeah, I understand your reasoning, and I would be a hypocrite if I didn't agree. I suppose the only problem with using Miledy for rescue-drop is that she only has 10 aid post-promotion, which can't rescue a few guys like Percival, Dieck, Echidna (with a Body Ring), and Lot, but hey, that's what other fliers are for. And there's still a ton of guys that she can rescue.

So then, the only question is if Miledy is sufficiently better than Percival to justify a tier gap. I don't want to go too deeply into combat parameters because they're pretty similar for the most part; however, it should be noted that Percival with 1-2 spd procs can double nomads on Sacae route (they have 15-18 AS on chapter 17) whereas Miledy needs to be 20/7 to 20/9 to do the same with -1 AS from a Javelin. And Percival can also double mercs with base speed, but post-promotion Miledy can double them too, and they're fairly common in Ilia.

Next order of business: the Delphi Shield. There are quite a few ballistae on both routes, so it's not sufficient to say that the Delphi Shield is not competed for in Ilia, but Miledy makes the best use of it anyway. For example, she can just fly in and ORKO the archer manning the ballista in a span of 2 turns, making it safer for any other fliers that you choose to deploy.

Finally, rescue utility. Miledy is only available for a few chapters before Percival joins, but her flying utility is already valuable for all of those chapters. Whichever way you choose to go in chapter 13, Miledy can carry one of your snipers over the water and bypass Percival's group or the little merc + hero group, and probably save a turn. In chapter 14, flying utility is so helpful here that I would contend that a base level weaponless Thany is more valuable than a foot unit. In chapter 14x, there are pirates and disappearing walkways.

And Miledy is pretty valuable in chapter 15, too. She can go engage the Silver Lance WK that would otherwise slaughter one of Percival's cavs and deny you the Knight Crest. She can also drop someone on a mountain near Raeth and let you bypass the upper loop completely (I finished this chapter in 6 turns using this strategy, although since Miledy couldn't pick Percival up, I used Thany instead).

Then there's also 17S where she ignores mountains, 18I where she ignores forests, 19I where she ignores mountains and picks off ballistae, 20xS where she bypasses rivers, 21 where she ignores mountains (though she cannot drop berserkers on mountains), 21x where she ignores walls, and 23 where she picks off ballistae. Does this have more value than Percival's superior combat pre-promotion and possibly superior combat in one route? And does it justify a tier split? Well, Miledy is already above Percival, and I'll leave it up to others to decide if this constitutes a tier split.

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3 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:01 am

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There's more solutions than Miledy a tier above Percival. Maybe Percival should be in Top as well. But tbh, the availability gap between her and the other Top tiers consists of about half the game. Putting Miledy in Top tier is essentially lessening the weight on availability a lot, imo.

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4 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:16 am

Mekkah wrote:There's more solutions than Miledy a tier above Percival. Maybe Percival should be in Top as well. But tbh, the availability gap between her and the other Top tiers consists of about half the game. Putting Miledy in Top tier is essentially lessening the weight on availability a lot, imo.
I do partially agree with this, but there is something that circumvents their lack of availability. For Miredy, we have her hax flight skill and anytime can be promoted and quickly use Swords for whatever purpose. She doesn't really have a "meh" period timeframe whereas someone like Clarine lacking offense hurts and Deak having issues doubling at one point or another. I can see Percival at Top though. You'd have to be nuts to point something wrong with that guy other than availability.

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5 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:26 am

Only problem with him I think would be that his supports are sub-par, but that's about it. Miledy's supports suck, bu that doesn't stop her. I could see 'em both up there.

Well, he DOES have a support in Cecilia, who has con low enough to be able to rescue Douglas who is also a support for Percival, all of which are 30+2...

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6 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:30 am

Last time I checked, Cecilia had more than 3 con.

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7 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:10 am

dondon151 wrote:Last time I checked, Cecilia had more than 3 con.

25-6=19. If it were subtracted from 20, mount rescue would be nigh worthless, since there's plenty that have 9-12 con.

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8 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:27 am

Foot unit Aid
= Constitution - 1

Mounted unit Aid (male)
= 25 - Constitution

Mounted unit Aid (female) = 20 - Constitution

Relevant.

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9 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:55 pm

Grandjackal wrote:25-6=19. If it were subtracted from 20, mount rescue would be nigh worthless, since there's plenty that have 9-12 con.
6 + 12 < 20. The only guys that Cecilia can't rescue are Barth, Bors, Gonzales, Wade, and Douglas.

Enough of your anti-hype and pseudo-math, please. At least Fire Emblem doesn't involve integration.

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10 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:25 pm

Enough of your anti-hype and pseudo-math, please.

Smash, stop obsessing over usernames related to the male genitalia.

I mean hey, as long as we're making requests/demands that will never be met...

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11 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:29 pm

bblader1 wrote:
Enough of your anti-hype and pseudo-math, please.

Smash, stop obsessing over usernames related to the male genitalia.

I mean hey, as long as we're making requests/demands that will never be met...

Smart-ass.

Anyways, did not catch the fact troubadour horses are ponies in comparison. Damn you IS...

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12 Re: Miredy for Top tier. on Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:04 pm

Nobody seems to oppose this...can we bump both Miredy/Percy into Top?

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