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1 Moulder down a Tier on Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:56 am

I posted this on Serenes for Kyle vs. Moulder since I started with Healers possibly dropping and CATS asked me to do a comparison. I only did one for lategame, but I think when it's utility vs. combat it's too hard to do. So the best time to do it was around promotion:

20/2 Kyle

42.4 HP | 19 Str | 13.4 Skl | 15.4 Spd | 9.2 Luck | 15 Def | 5.2 Res

B Forde / B Ephraim

Killer Axe - 32 Atk, 46 Crit, 15 AS, 42 HP | 17 Def | 7 Res
Hand Axe - 28 Atk

20/1 Moulder

34.9 HP | 12.8 Str | 15.5 Skl | 15.8 Spd | 4.4 Luck | 9.25 Def | 11.25 Res

A Vanessa

Shine - 22 Atk, 16 AS, 14 Crit, 35 HP, 12 Def, 14 Res

The enemy would have to have a huge disparity in Def - Res in order for Moulder to even come close to that kind of offense, or if Kyle holds the Hand Axe. This was about Ruled By Madness, pretty close to the levels you had as well.

Knights - About an 11 Def - Res difference, but Kyle can also pull out Hammer and whomp these guys too.

Cavaliers - 6, one with 4. Neither have trouble KOing.

Shamans - Oneshotted.

So I could keep going with the unpromoted enemies, but you get the picture. So what about promoted enemies?

Great Knights - Bishop Moulder actually fails to KO these guys with Divine unless he gets a lucky critical hit. For Kyle, he can switch to Hammer and easily KO them.

Warriors - Technically they have a Def | Res gap of 5, so Moulder would only lose with the Hand Axe by 1. It wouldn't matter anyway since the ~5 Res these guys pack force him to do about 34 damage per round. Meanwhile a Killer Axe!Kyle can plop 46 damage on the average Warrior with crit banking a chance to kill.

Heroes - About a 6 point difference. Killer Lance only has -1 Mt w/WTA, so technically Kyle can still win the attack here. 17 damage at the worst case scenario and 15 for Moulder.

Sages - Not bothering since obviously offensively Kyle will win this.

Druids - See Sages.

Swordmaster - 2 Def | Res gap. Kyle 2RKOes while Moulder 3RKOes. Kyle wins.

Then looking defensively:

Kyle - 42 HP | 17 Def | 7 Res | 54 Avoid

Moulder - 35 HP | 12 Def | 14 Res | 49 Avoid

Kyle is winning by a ridiculous amount. The only thing Moulder has on him is Res. I don't think I really need to do stat comparisons to tell which is better, since you could technically add +15 to Kyle's Avoid due to WTC.

The only other advantage would be staff utility, which isn't bad but even so.

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So I don't see the tier gap between these guys at this point, so either Kyle should rise or Moulder should drop. We'd have to put a significant weight on Moulder's staff utility over the course of 6 chapters, and about 3 of those chapters have Natasha in them.

I dunno about Natasha dropping either, but for now Moulder should probably top High or go under Kyle. Might need to double check Forde though even though Forde has Kyle's offense problems slightly magnified with a little more Crit to compensate it.

Thoughts?

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2 Re: Moulder down a Tier on Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:06 pm

So I don't see the tier gap between these guys at this point, so either Kyle should rise or Moulder should drop. We'd have to put a significant weight on Moulder's staff utility over the course of 6 chapters, and about 3 of those chapters have Natasha in them.

You know Moulder can heal after promotion. In fact his absolute staff utility will only get better as the game progresses (physics/recover/fortify/warp/etc).

Edit: Also, promoted enemies really aren't that frequent aside from C17 and 19. Moulder more than compensates for that through slayer on the frequent monster maps (18, 20, F).

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3 Re: Moulder down a Tier on Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:34 pm

This was already shot down by CATS really.

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